The Devil’s Element
Now that state law requires communities to fluoridate their water, it’s interesting to see the fluoride debate heat up across the state. I’ve never had a problem with fluoride. I see fluoridated water as being very similar to iodized salt. Yet obviously some people get pretty excited by the notion that the government is pumping “medicine” into the water supply. I figure heck, they may be brainwashing me but at least I’ll have good teeth.
If fluoridation were brought to a vote in Lincoln, would we keep it?
The Comments
Nikkidemas says Brita October 29, 2008 at 9:46am
I was surprised to see people so fired up over this. So many people use Culligan purifiers, Brita filters, or drink bottled water now - I wonder what percentage of the population would actually be significantly affected?
Also, I was surfing yesterday and found a separate fluoride issue which interested me. Lesson: Don’t swallow anything you buy at Dollar Tree
jwiltshire says I thought you were libertarian-leaning, October 29, 2008 at 10:17am
I thought you were libertarian-leaning, Mr. Wilson? Don’t you guys get all kinds of fired up and crazy about flouride in the water supply?
I keed, i keed. I had assumed until this issue came up, that we already did, and that it was a pretty much commonplace thing. I learned something, though.
Mr. Wilson says RE: I thought you were libertarian-leaning, October 29, 2008 at 10:35am
Yeah, lots of libs don’t like fluoride. Me, I don’t mind it so much. It’s such a cheap and harmless little thing with a pretty decent return on investment. But then, I suppose that sound you hear is me embarking on my journey down the slippery slope
Peter says It's real use is:MASS MIND October 29, 2008 at 10:44am
It’s real use is:
MASS MIND CONTROL!!!
http://www.rense.com/general79/hd3.htm
beerorkid says Strange you mention this cuz October 29, 2008 at 11:14am
Strange you mention this cuz just yesterday it was brought up at a WTC7 / bigfoot meeting I attended last night.
I would love to know the percentage of folk who are against flouride that eat McDonalds.
CS says While Wikip is a good October 29, 2008 at 11:18am
While Wikip is a good starting place, this particular article does provide some citations as to WHY people are against it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy
CS says ...Isn't always a good starting October 29, 2008 at 11:18am
...Isn’t always a good starting place. Sorry.
andrew says I think it's kind of October 29, 2008 at 7:57pm
I think it’s kind of pointless. If God wanted me to have nicer teeth, he’d have given them to me. Fluoride is the devil. Praise Jesus.
CP says This summer our dentist actually October 29, 2008 at 10:05pm
This summer our dentist actually brought it up when we were talking to her about the teeth of our young children. She says it is absolutely one of the untold medical miracles to see the difference between the teeth of people who grew up with flouridated water and those who did not a generation before. She also expressed saddened that Brita filters and the like were so widely popularized, because they remove all of the benefits. She suggested that even if we wanted to filter our water, not to filter our children’s water.
For the record, we don’t filter any of ours, and I get upset when someone in my family PAYS for water in a bottle.
Jad says Dr. Strangelove... EOP or POE October 30, 2008 at 12:12am
It sounds like someone has been watching too much Dr. Strangelove. In the words of General Jack D. Ripper “Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.”
CS says No Strangelove here, though I October 30, 2008 at 8:44am
No Strangelove here, though I love that movie and make a point to watch it whenever it is on, or shown (Thanks State Theatre!). The point is made in may places that kids can brush their teeth and get the same benefit. There are mouthwashes, free dental clinics, lower income dental coverage, medicaid, etc. Do we really need to spend millions of dollars pumping stuff into the water system? What’s next? I’d rather have some control over what my children ingest, and I don’t trust the government to decide for me. Today it’s teeth, tomorrow who knows?
nyscof says Why fluoridation is Bad for Nebraskans November 4, 2008 at 10:41am
Why Fluoridation is Wrong for Nebraska
By NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc.
1) No Nebraskan is fluoride deficient. The USDA website lists current levelsof fluoride in common foods. A more readable chart is here.
a) Nebraskans are dentist-deficient “In 1999, 21 percent of children aged 0 to
5 years in Head Start and daycare centers in Nebraska had untreated dental
decay,” according to the Nebraska Department of Health.
Minority children experience poorer oral health, with approximately 28% of minority children having untreated dental decay and 20% having rampant caries.
b) a 12-year-old boy from a fluoridated area died because dentists refused to
treat him because he was on Medicaid
2) Fluoridation proponents and opponents agree that too much fluoride damages teeth and bones. Current EPA standards are not protective of health
a) Centers for Disease Control (CDC) study: from 1/3 to ½ of
US school children display fluoride overdose symptoms – dental fluorosis –
white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted enamel.
b) National Research Council 2006 report says certain segments of the
population are particularly at risk of fluoride over-exposure such as
high-water drinkers, diabetics, the military, outdoor workers, athletes, kidney
patients and infants
c) The National Kidney Foundation withdrew it’s fluoridation support and
replaced it with this warning: “Individuals with CKD [Chronic kidney Disease]
should be notified of the potential risk of fluoride exposure.”
3) The EPA increased fluoride residues allowed on foods since approving Dow Chemical Company’s sulfuryl fluoride (ProFume) as a post-harvest fumigant. Even former NYS Attorney General Eliot Spitzer wrote the EPA and said, “...the tolerances established by EPA are not sufficiently protective against adverse health effects,”
4) In New York State, non-fluoridated Nassau & Suffolk cavity rates are equal to or lower than 73% fluoridated NYS and many fluoridated NYS counties and US States
a) Despite a 70% fluoridation rate, 59% of Nebraska third graders have tooth
decay. 75% of Hispanic, 66% of African-American and 57% of
Caucasian third graders have tooth decay,
5) Fluoridation hasn’t leveled decay rates between poor & non-poor.
6) Impure industrial waste products are used for water fluoridation.
a) What effect would this have on the environment?
b) Silicofluorides contain trace amounts of impurities such as
arsenic, lead, mercury and more.
c) Silicofluorides have never been safety tested in humans or
animals
d) Silicofluorides are linked to children’s higher blood lead levels.
e) High blood lead levels are linked to higher rates of tooth decay
f) Tooth decay crises are occurring in most, if not all, of our fluoridated communities.
7) The FDA never tested the safety or efficacy of fluoride ingestion.
a) Fluoride was “grandfathered in” because it was on the market pre-1938 when drug safety testing laws were first enacted.
b) Pre-1938, fluoride was only sold as a rat poison.
8) Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth.
9) Fluoride ingestion confers no benefits.
a) The CDC says: “fluoride’s predominant effect is posteruptive and topical”
10) Fluoride ingestion, like all drugs, delivers health risks.
a) Reviews of the fluoride literature claiming to prove fluoride is safe and effective is scientifically invalid reports the National Institutes of Health and
UK researchers
b) The Oct 6 2007 British Medical Journal indicates that fluoridation, touted as a safe cavity preventive, never was proven safe or effective and
may be unethical
b) National Academies of Science fluoride panel reveals health risks at 1 ppm
11) From 1 – 5% of the population is allergic to or intolerant of fluoride
12) “If you add fluoridated water to your infant’s baby formula, you may be putting your child at risk of developing dental fluorosis,”
according to the Academy of General Dentistry
a) The American Dental Association Agrees
b) The Centers For Disease Control Agrees
13) The adequate intake (AI) of fluoride for a six month old baby is only 0.01 mg/F per day. If the AI is exceeded babies risk
moderate dental fluorosis which is defined as Light to very dark brown staining occurs on the enamel, along with the parchment-
white coloration of fluorosis. This is what moderate dental fluorosis looks like.
14) Dentists are not fluoride experts
15) Over 1,850 professionals signed a statement urging Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted. They cite new scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks. See statement at FAN website
16) Eleven unions representing 7,000 EPA employees urge that the maximum contaminant level of fluoride be set as close to zero as feasible
17) The Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment opposes fluoridation
18) Dr. A. K. Susheela explains how fluoride can adversely affect health and why US physicians don’t look for it in this video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4519697926101725336&hl=en
For more general information about fluoridation, see Fluoridation 101:
For more science that shows the harm and ineffectiveness of fluoridation see the Fluoride Journal, Second Look, Fluoride Action Network.
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