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I’m okay with this.

You guys really are jerks.  You cannot condemn people for things YOU think is wrong.  They did what they did.  They have no regrets, the parents have no regrets, in fact, what this just proves is how much people like to meddle in other people’s lives.  How would you like it if someone came into your life and started nitpicking everything you do.

I know Pedofilisim is a bad thing, but this isn’t it.  Matthew Koso isn’t some weirdo raging child raping Pedophile.  He’s an honest, hardworking man, and Jon Burning should be ashamed of himself, as do all of you who think he should be sent to Jail.  Don’t we have enough broken families?  Now we have to make them?  You all make me sick!

You all make me sick!

What, for reporting the range of sentences for a man convicted of a crime? If that makes you sick, I strongly encourage you not to watch the evening news. They report this sort of thing all of the time. I wouldn’t want you constantly soiling yourself.

You really misunderstood what I said.  What I meant was it really makes me sick all of you would pass judgement and meddle in someone’s life that you have no business prying into in the first place.  The District Attorney or anyone else should of gotten inovled IF AND ONLY IF the person and/or persons involved had a problem with it in the first place.

And how can someone even think to call this person a pedophile when you have comparison issues with people like Day Care Owners that like to take little 7 year olds into the back room and make them play with the “Pink Elephant”.

Really, I have a high tolerance for disgusting things.  This doesn’t make me “soil” myself, Mr. Wilsion, this just makes me rather irritated that people think they can go into someone’s life and screw it up, when this country was built on the “Freedoms”.  Literally, think about it.  Not even 50 years ago, this kind of action wouldn’t have been beaten down at all.

Oh and thank you for the unneccessary mudslinging to provoke your point.  Why not use facts instead of insults?

What I meant was it really makes me sick all of you would pass judgement and meddle in someone’s life that you have no business prying into in the first place.

Please explain where on this page I “passed judgement” or “meddle[d] in someone’s life”. Search this site for “koso” (the search box is in the left column). Let me know what you find.

The District Attorney or anyone else should of gotten inovled IF AND ONLY IF the person and/or persons involved had a problem with it in the first place.

More often than not I agree with that sentiment. I hope, for the sake of consistency of principles, you agree with it beyond the scope of this case.

And how can someone even think to call this person a pedophile when you have comparison issues with people like Day Care Owners that like to take little 7 year olds into the back room and make them play with the “Pink Elephant”.

I can’t even begin to address this because I don’t know what the heck you’re talking about or how it has any bearing on Matthew Koso’s mental health status. Seriously, what’s the relevance here?

Really, I have a high tolerance for disgusting things.

A handy trait for anybody who uses the web.

...this just makes me rather irritated that people think they can go into someone’s life and screw it up, when this country was built on the “Freedoms”.

Just so the record is clear, nowhere on this page do I “go into someone’s life and screw it up” or dispute the validity of “the ‘Freedoms’” upon which this country was built.

Not even 50 years ago, this kind of action wouldn’t have been beaten down at all.

Ahh yes, the moral peak of 50 years ago. Life for blacks kind of sucked, but at least we could have sex with little girls.

Oh and thank you for the unneccessary mudslinging to provoke your point.  Why not use facts instead of insults?

That sure would be nice. How ‘bout we start with you? Let’s begin with your first words: “You guys really are jerks.” Would you care to either 1) retract that insult or 2) back it up with some facts?

Methinks we won’t be seeing Mr. Koso for a while.

That could be taken as offense to certain prospects.  I could be wrong.

More often than not I agree with that sentiment. I hope, for the sake of consistency of principles, you agree with it beyond the scope of this case.

Give me an application that you would think that I would not agree on this scope of thought.

I can’t even begin to address this because I don’t know what the heck you’re talking about or how it has any bearing on Matthew Koso’s mental health status. Seriously, what’s the relevance here?

The relevance is that most people are pointing this guy out to be a Pedophile when he isn’t even a basis of comparison to other raging pedophiles out there.

Just so the record is clear, nowhere on this page do I “go into someone’s life and screw it up” or dispute the validity of “the ‘Freedoms’” upon which this country was built.

I seriously hope you didn’t forget the link you posted to the other website, which offers a gateway to other people’s opinions, not just your own.

Ahh yes, the moral peak of 50 years ago. Life for blacks kind of sucked, but at least we could have sex with little girls.

You completely twisted things around.  Yes some things were morally wrong, but you think today is any better?  We have rich people dominating poor people’s lives, we have illegal immigrants being treated like slaves that can’t go to the police without being deported, we have disfunctional familes, we have economical problems, but at least we can pass judgement on people when there wasn’t a problem in the first place.

That sure would be nice. How ‘bout we start with you? Let’s begin with your first words: “You guys really are jerks.” Would you care to either 1) retract that insult or 2) back it up with some facts?

I’ll explain that.  “You guys” is aimed at the people who agree that what the law is doing is correct.  My “facts” can’t really be taken as facts, but as most of this is based on opinion anyway, this brings me back to an earlier viewpoint.  Where is it your right to meddle in other people’s lives if it hasn’t harmed them to the point where any INVOLVED party has brought up criminal charges.  Jon Burning is not an involved party.  The community is not an involved party.  Matthew and Crystal Koso and family are.  I did not see one place in any of the webpages I visited on Google that the parents of Crystal or Matt had made a fuss about it beyond an Order of Protection that Crystal’s mother passed, then later retracted.

That could be taken as offense to certain prospects.  I could be wrong.

Meh. If somebody takes offense at what amounts to little more than a light wording of a simple fact, he’ll take offense to most anything. To that person I say: get a life.

Give me an application that you would think that I would not agree on this scope of thought.

I didn’t have anything in particular in mind. I don’t know your stance on any topics beyond this one. Consider it notice that in future discussions I will hold you to your statement. I expect the same in return.

The relevance is that most people are pointing this guy out to be a Pedophile when he isn�t even a basis of comparison to other raging pedophiles out there.

Your argument here is really weak. A murderer is a murderer whether he kills one or fifty. In the simplest sense, Matthew Koso is a pedophile: he is (1) an adult who is (2) sexually attracted (3) to a child. That he may or may not be as “bad” a pedophile as others does nothing to change his status.

I seriously hope you didn�t forget the link you posted to the other website, which offers a gateway to other people�s opinions, not just your own.

You’re holding me responsible for other peoples’ comments? That’s unfair, don’t you think? If you want to take them to task, go take it out on them, not on me.

You completely twisted things around.

A bit, yes. I was being unfair to make a point.

Yes some things were morally wrong, but you think today is any better?

Yes. And no.

We have rich people dominating poor people�s lives...

That has been true since money first became associated with power.

...we have illegal immigrants being treated like slaves that can�t go to the police without being deported...

Well, they are criminals (legally speaking), after all. At least today there’s a good chance the people abusing them will be punished.

...we have disfunctional familes...

That has always been true.

...we have economical problems...

That has always been true.

...but at least we can pass judgement on people when there wasn�t a problem in the first place.

You think that’s new?

Where is it your right to meddle in other people’s lives if it hasn�t harmed them to the point where any INVOLVED party has brought up criminal charges.

Unless you mean to say that I’m the one doing this, I suggest you change “your right” to “one’s right” or “a person’s right”. If you are making that accusation against me, I strongly suggest you learn a bit more about a man before you make charges against him.

Jon Burning is not an involved party.

Yes and no. Mr. Bruning is an involved party by virtue of his position. He has been tasked, by the voters of Nebraska, with protecting Nebraska’s citizens. It is especially important that he protect Nebraska’s most vulnerable citizens, including children. Therefore it was his sworn duty, as Attorney General, to involve himself. Upon notification that an adult had impregnated a child, he had no choice but to investigate. Whether or not he should have pursued this particular case as vigorously as he did given the facts at hand is another matter.

I did not see one place in any of the webpages I visited on Google that the parents of Crystal or Matt had made a fuss about it beyond an Order of Protection that Crystal�s mother passed, then later retracted.

A little web research doesn’t make one an expert on their thoughts.

I’ll give you the last word, and then I’m calling it quits for this particular discussion. We could go on forever otherwise.

Meh. If somebody takes offense at what amounts to little more than a light wording of a simple fact, he’ll take offense to most anything. To that person I say: get a life.

Thats a little harsh being this whole thing is centered around people’s opinion.

I didn’t have anything in particular in mind. I don’t know your stance on any topics beyond this one. Consider it notice that in future discussions I will hold you to your statement. I expect the same in return.

I really would like to debate again one day.

Your argument here is really weak. A murderer is a murderer whether he kills one or fifty. In the simplest sense, Matthew Koso is a pedophile: he is (1) an adult who is (2) sexually attracted (3) to a child. That he may or may not be as “bad” a pedophile as others does nothing to change his status.

That is a definition, I’ll give you that.  However, if you boil it down to that strictest sense, then yes, he is a pedophile, but attach all of sociecty’s rash labels and what everyone thinks on the word.  What you get is not Matthew Koso.

Well, they are criminals (legally speaking), after all. At least today there’s a good chance the people abusing them will be punished.

Legally speaking, yes.  But I don’t think you or I would describe them as deserving of the treatment, and I do agree, I hope they get what’s coming to them.

Unless you mean to say that I’m the one doing this, I suggest you change “your right” to “one’s right” or “a person’s right”.

I really wish there was an edit feature on this thing.  Sorry about that.

Yes and no. Mr. Bruning is an involved party by virtue of his position. He has been tasked, by the voters of Nebraska, with protecting Nebraska’s citizens. It is especially important that he protect Nebraska’s most vulnerable citizens, including children. Therefore it was his sworn duty, as Attorney General, to involve himself. Upon notification that an adult had impregnated a child, he had no choice but to investigate. Whether or not he should have pursued this particular case as vigorously as he did given the facts at hand is another matter.

True, but that doesn’t make him my definition of an Involved Party.  Mine consists of the people who are directly affected.  You cannot say that Mr. Burning was affected directly unless he was actually one of the parties invovled in this situation, he’s simply a bystander who has legality to back up his own opinions.

A little web research doesn’t make one an expert on their thoughts.

I never said I did.  I’m just saying they never made a fuss such as a legal battle or them actually pressing charges against Matthew Koso.

I’ll give you the last word, and then I’m calling it quits for this particular discussion. We could go on forever otherwise.

Good point.  Sorry for my rash words at first.  It was rather late and I was rather tired.  It was very nice debating with you and I hope we have the pleasure to do this again sometime.  I’ll browse around your site.  Perhaps we could affilate.